UPDATED: Jordan Chariton of The Young Turks debates #DAPL with Chris
Jordan Chariton, political reporter for The Young Turks, joined Chris Berg for a debate on #DAPL and coverage of the protests.
Updated with our "Everybody Hates Chris" segment, where we hear some viewer feedback on the debate.
(Please note - this transcript was copied from an electronic captioning service. We apologize for any errors, spelling, grammatical, or otherwise.)
He's been in the protest camps, DAPL protest camps seven times, at one point he was there for over a month on the ground doing some reporting. Jordan Chariton with The Young Turks, thanks for joining us. Now is when the water protectors need help, they need coverage to say, hey, look guys, this is a huge ecological problem. Now you're not here, why are you not here?
I was actually just in Chicago covering another lead crisis. I might be back there on the 22nd. Chris, I find it very interesting. You and the governor and all these north Dakota folks, selective concern now about the water protectors, about the environment.it seems that this whole time, you know, a pipeline going under the longest river in America, no environmental concern at all, but now you're very worried about the camp clean up --
Do you want to know why --
No, no, I’m not finished, excuse media was there last week, there is no feces on the ground. You listed reports of feces, what reports are you talking about? There’s no feces on the ground, you're lying to your audience.
Hold on, hold on.
I've got one more comment.
One last comment.
Number two, number two. The chaos and the hippie village you're talking about doesn't exist. I was there last week. They’re doing a fairly remarkable job of clean up. I don't think you were there last week. You seem to be reporting what the police and governor tell you, rather than being on the ground, seeing it for yourself.
Since you're so initiate, since obviously there's no sanitary clean up in the camp, where do you think people are going to the bathroom, it's magically floating away or what?
Again, since you are not there, again, you are lying to your audience, they have compost toilets, I used one last week. So your facts are wrong again.
That's going to be where if it floods?
They're clearing out of the camp.
No they're not, there's over 200 people at the camp right now, over 200 abandoned vehicles. You call that cleaning out?
You're wrong. I just confirmed, they have literally 100 people left and the governor -- they've asked for a day or two extension and the governor has not granted it. You’ve already stated three things that are not factually true. So again, I was on the ground, you haven't been --
You were there a week ago -- Excuse me sir, you were there a week ago.
I'd love to know where you're hearing there's 100 people. Let’s go back for a minute. You’re saying oh, Chris, all of a sudden, your governor and delegation are so concerned about the environment, where was that before. Here’s the issue, when you're talking about a pipeline, especially this one that will have the most up to the date technology, 92 feet below the river, what you guys are trying to say is pure speculation at this point, can that happen, does it happen, yes, but what you guys are saying is pure speculation, the reality is there are 200 vehicles sitting there abandoned that could end up in the river because it floods here nick, I don't know if you know this, that could flood and impact the river. That is the reality.
Again, I was there, there's not 200 abandoned vehicles. Putting that aside, what I find interesting, speculation, there's data and speculation. There are several companies that own this pipeline.one just had a pipeline explosion two weeks ago, another leaked 600,000 gallons in Texas. Another leaked in Ohio. You’re talking about speculation and then the report that came out between energy -- 69 spills and that's just what they reported. We don't know what they didn't report because these pipelines like to talk about, oh, well, we don't like to discuss the small spills. The other thing here is you're talking about state-of-the-art material. Well, was there state-of-the-art material used in the pipeline spill in Texas? Same exact company. You're talking about speculation. These are hard, data facts.
Right, and if you do the recertain, do you know when those pipelines were built?
What's your point, that they're not brand new?
Exactly, back in the '50s. If you don't maintain them correctly you're going to have issues. You’re saying because one pipeline did x, that means the other will. I’m assuming you're talking about pipelines exploding because you're concerned about the water, correct?
Well, no, the explosion killed a worker in Louisiana.
Now you're concerned about life and what happens with explosions?
I'm concerned about all life, whether it's workers or the people.
Let me ask you this –
Hold on, excuse me. How does the river -- it was the largest spill in American history. 12 people reported then as a result of that and they had over 200 health issues as a result of that. This is going under the longest river. Who are you, who is the governor to play god with the drinking water of not just Native Americans, but 18 million people. That seems a little common sense. Forget politics. Putting a gigantic pipeline, you're talking about that it's so deep under the ground.it doesn't matter how deep under the water is if it spills. That goes downstream. You’re jeopardizing 18 million people.
Excuse me, sir. Now let's talk common sense, I know you're a fair person, I get that from you. Let’s talk about being fair, okay.
You should state facts.
Excuse me, sir, that's what I’m going to -- I’m going to talk about being fair and state facts. Remember what happened in Quebec, that explosion. We didn't lose lives here. Pipelines are the safest way to transport oil and right now we've got hundreds of thousands of barrels of oil crossing right by the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe, which could by the way end up in the Missouri River and wow, no one is protesting that. That’s the hypocrisy of this movement.
So because railroads are also unsafe, you want them to leave the protest camp literally --
Wait a second. You said I was going to use common sense. If I’m here to save lives, why would I -- why wouldn't I believe at the railroad, 1.6 miles away and protesting that. That’s common sense.
Because if my house is in front of me on fire, I don't go down the block --
Speculation, the railroad isn't built.
So let's wait until after it spills and then we'll worry about railroad.
More speculation. I can do climate speculation with you all day long.
How is that speculation? I’ve listed the numbers of the spill. How is that speculation, that's numbers, data?
Those are old pipelines. Let me ask you this. What would you like to see happen? It’s pretty evident with the Trump administration this pipeline is going to get built, move oil. Where do you see this thing is going from here?
We haven't gotten into the illegal behavior of the police because you are misinforming. I've seen literally a police state and brutalization of unarmed people. This last ditch case by Standing Rock, Cheyenne River, it's clear they did not finish this environmental impact study. President Obama issued an environmental impact study, trump tossed it out, that's against the law. It’s very clear this whole time there was no -- not enough consultation on this and most importantly, this pipeline company cannot be left to simply drill the judge said oh, it's not a risk to you until the oil is flowing. Well, I think that's a weird standard. A judge needs to rule on this before the oil starts flowing. As you know, I’ve never heard of a judge or government stopping an oil pipeline once the oil is falling. So an expedited oil needs to go, for your children, my children, everybody's children, maybe put the pipeline somewhere else than the longest river of the United States that serves 18 million people. Because when that spills, your little speculative talk and all this nonsense you're spewing, we have the video. It’s not if it spills, it's when it spills.
Speculation. Let’s talk facts here. The facts are you've got hundreds of thousands of barrels of oil across the river. Jordan, great to have you here, I love the debate, love to have you back, especially if you get back on the grounds.
I'd love to see you on the ground, rather than reporting propaganda.
Easy, that is far from propaganda, especially with you showing speculation. We will wrap up, I’ll talk to Jordan off-line.